E: I'm just… don't even get me started.
E: Don't even get me started on, Jewish people. Anyway, we can just stop that conversation and start a new one, because I think I'm on a roll.
E: How are you doing?
Kay: I'm do- I'm doing good.
Kay: You're Eddie, right?
E: Where are you? I see that your background looks different, I see the Eiffel Tower.
Kay: Yeah, I'm not in France, though. I'm in Tucson, so you're, you know, close, though.
E: Oh, I thought that was a window, and I thought that.
Kay: No, that's not the real…
E: Doctor.
Kay: No, that's not the real Eiffel. In fact, that Eiffel…
E: You're traveling.
Kay: Until that was…
E: Lucan.
Kay: I've tried.
E: What is it that brought you to the…
Kay: Just a little… Good interview.
E: be, I think.
Kay: You know, you have some… you have a good eye. That's actually glitter that they put on the Eiffel Tower picture to make it really sparkle.
Kay: And then I have another sign on the other side.
E: Oh, yeah, it's the city… City of Life, you know.
Kay: I need you, I want you, your warmth, your smell, your taste, coffee, I love you. And you know that… you know that this person has…
Kay: Terrible tasting coffee, because they'll put up a sign like that, and they leave me with like.
Kay: Walmart brand coffee, so that's how much they really believe that.
Kay: That sign It means nothing.
E: That, that sign actually sounds like a letter I once wrote to the president.
Kay: Yeah.
Kay: I, it's all, it's all smokes and mirrors.
E: I'm not allowed.
Kay: I didn't be…
E: I'm not allowed in federal buildings anymore.
Kay: I'm sure.
Kay: Yes, well…
E: But by the way, that doesn't mean… that doesn't mean…
E: that I, don't have to pay my taxes. They were very clear about that.
Kay: Yeah, I'm sure, they were, like.
E: I wasted all the money on that weekly snack time alone, too. That's the worst part of it.
Kay: Yeah, I'm… I'm sorry…
E: was before he was a packed guy?
Kay: Oh, a tech scam? What? What?
E: Before Wesley Snipes was a tax guy.
Kay: Oh, wasn't he an actor?
E: Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's right, he was in those, kickboxing vampire movies.
Kay: There was a funny SNL about Wesley Snipes telling everyone
Kay: how not to have to pay their taxes, that was a… that was a good one. Yeah.
E: Well, okay, I'm sorry, hold on, you know what? I know we don't have a lot of time today, but I feel like I'm gonna have to come through… I'm gonna have to rush.
E: to Wesley Snipes' defense right now. Okay. First of all, it's not just not paying the taxes, that's a pretty…
E: superficial…
Kay: Right. First look.
E: That's a… you know, and that's how the Department of Justice and the IRS kind of saw it, which is really not… it doesn't do it justice. There's, like, a whole system in place.
E: It has to do… see, nowhere in the Constitution.
Kay: Is, is taxi's mentioned, if you don't know that.
E: Now, it is… technically mentioned in that it says that Congress can levy them.
Kay: Was that.
E: well, it, you know, Article 1, man, Congress, right? Like…
Kay: Got it.
E: They have power. They have the power.
Kay: Oh, there you go.
E: It doesn't say, oh, hey, Wesley Snipes pay your income tax. It doesn't say that.
Kay: That's true.
E: And I've read it. He has read it.
E: He's gonna win this case. Hold on. Right, right. I'm seeing… I'm seeing that he's already lost the case. Nevermind. Nevermind. Let's skip this one for now.
Kay: no one even knows who Wesley Snipes is anymore, who's probably listening to us. I mean, although we are… maybe our demographic would know, because…
Kay: My demographic…
E: It is my mother and my And you are correct.
Kay: By the way.
E: Neither… neither the nor West is my fault.
Kay: If you want to have a good, kind of, good time.
Kay: Rewatch, what was that one with Wesley Snipes and Stallone?
E: Demolition Manager.
Kay: Demolition.
E: Demolition Man, it is… my friends and I, we quote from this movie.
E: All the time. I don't know what that says about me.
E: But I loved Demolition Man.
Kay: I love it, too.
E: feature all restaurants are Taco Bell.
E: Excellent.
Kay: as they should be. Yeah, it's a great movie.
E: Have you ever been to a Taco Bell cantina?
Kay: I have. I was not impressed. I was not impressed at all.
E: Wait, I'm sorry, but did you have any alcohol?
Kay: No, I did not. That's true, I did not have it. I know, did I? I might have had a corona.
E: Tina is a Taco Bell that has alcohol, you didn't know that?
Kay: Hmm… I may have had one… you know what, I… no, I did not. I remember thinking, maybe I should come here one day to get an alcoholic beverage, but I thought, why not? Why come here when I go… when I can go to a much better establishment? If it was, like, in the movie… Hold on a second, though. I think…
E: I think you're… I think you're overlooking its value. What time of day was it?
E: Mornings?
Kay: Or in the afternoon.
E: Oh, okay. Come on, man.
E: That's…
Kay: Are you supposed to go later?
E: Yeah, like, you're supposed to go, like, at 2 or 3 AM…
Kay: Okay.
E: driving around, you pass at Denny's, and you're like, ugh, I don't want to, like, order the food and sit down.
Kay: Mmm.
E: And then you see a Taco Bell sign lit up.
Kay: And then, Taco Bell's time to shine.
E: And you… you go in there.
E: And, it's 1AM, and it's a Taco Bell, and the place is a fucking disaster. And, it doesn't matter to you, though. There's, like, pieces of, like, hard tortilla shells on the ground, and loose lettuce.
Kay: All of the little…
E: Pockets of hot tots are mixed up.
E: And you go and you order your food.
Kay: I like it.
E: And you get, like, 10 tacos, and you sit down when the tacos come out, and you wait the 5 minutes it takes to make 10 tacos, which, you know, don't think about that too hard.
Kay: No.
E: And then you get them, and you sit down, and they're all just, like, a little warm, and they're all wrapped in paper, and you open it, and the first thing that happens is it's just mostly letter, but then you blush that off, and then you got this…
Kay: Yeah. Delicious.
E: Hard shell, taco… Just like Grandma used to make.
Kay: Amazing.
E: And you…
Kay: Grandma. The one that was forced to work at Taco Bell.
E: Yeah, that's 100% correct. And the hard-shell tacos are just made out of, like.
E: I don't… I think it's just, like, the…
Kay: the square.
E: what, like, Amazon boxes are made out of, and you just go through it like a wood chipper, man. And you pour on their hot sauce, which is just, like, vinegar with, like, red pepper powder.
Kay: And it's…
E: Amazing, and it's delicious, man!
E: like, at 1AM to 8.
Kay: Yeah.
E: you're drunk.
E: 10 Taco Bell tacos and a Chalupa? I don't even know what that is.
Kay: Why don't you just go to Taco Bell?
Kay: and get the same… I mean, why do you need the alcohol? Because you're already drunk anyway. You could just go to a Taco Bell and…
E: Yeah, I never…
Kay: There's no benefit.
E: good dad.
E: Well, see, now, this is where I… I feel a little bad now, because I feel like I'm gonna mansplain to you a business concept, but you're a business person, you're an entrepreneur.
Kay: matter.
E: Well, there's a… there's a little something called vertical integration, my friend.
E: Vertical integration is when your company sits, on top of one part of a market chain. So, for example.
E: If you are a company that makes televisions, why aren't you also installing those televisions?
E: Why shouldn't you also be making the content that's shown on those televisions? Why aren't you also selling the houses those televisions go into? Vertical integration.
E: You're gonna eat up the whole thing. You're just not one part of it, you're the whole thing. So, Taco Bell, our customers are showing up drunk to eat our bullshit food. Why don't they get drunk here first? Why are they buying the alcohol somewhere else?
E: To get inebriated enough, And rejected enough to come here and eat whatever we're making.
Kay: Who cares about class? I mean, it sounds like something that… Vertical integration, my friend.
E: They own the Taco Bell, they own the drunk part, now they own the getting drunk part.
E: All they need is a taxi service.
E: Oh!
Kay: Yeah.
E: Is it hard for you to get home after being blasted by alcohol and whatever food we're making?
E: your stomach is dealing with it, your brain is dealing with the alcohol. How are you gonna get home? We'll drive you home. Boom.
Kay: I'm sure.
E: Anyway.
Kay: And it's at a Taco Bell, branded car.
Kay: Demolition Management.
E: It's an excellent movie. I agree with you.
Kay: It sounded like…
Kay: It sounded like Demolition Man got the branding of that way better and way more right than
Kay: Taco Bell Cantina. It was a pitiful… like, Taco Bell screwed it up, but the… but Demolition Brand… Demolition Man got it right, is what I think.
E: Yeah, yeah, like, the future…
Kay: Because they took it to another level, whereas the Cantina…
Kay: Barely etched… etched out anything different.
E: Taco Bell and Demolition Man did not like.
Kay: Now, you…
Kay: you are in a divine-looking place that looks like, kind of, Demolition Man. You know, Demolition Man was supposed to be the future. You look like you're living in that future right now.
E: That's what Jakarta, that's what Jakarta is, bro. Like, you know, biometric…
Kay: Yeah.
E: Apps. There's an app for that.
E: The complete lack of violence, except for when a protester gets murdered.
Kay: Well, there may be an underground civilization.
E: And they…
Kay: You just haven't found them.
E: And protesters, in turn, murder other people who had nothing to do with it?
Kay: Right And they're eating rats underneath the ground. Maybe that's what…
E: Bye!
Kay: Delete.
E: And besides that, it's perfectly… it's a very safe place. It's amazing.
E: Yeah, I am, in a mall, it's a cathedral to capitalism. I am a strict adherent to capitalism, so I… this is my holy place, man.
Kay: I have no problem with capitalism being a cathedral, I think that's a great idea.
Kay: I'm… I'm down.
E: No, it's like, it's a huge structure.
E: beautiful, it's filled with things I want to buy. I have money from the wage slave stuff I do.
Kay: Nice. That's where you should spend it. Yeah, like, what are you gonna buy today? What have you bought today?
E: shopping malls, and you know what?
Kay: You can buy a Louis Vuitton?
E: Buying a good time, my friend.
E: I have this really excellent, burnt Americano that the staff
E: Of the children's play area who made it for me.
E: Obviously, having absolutely no experience, skill, or interest in making.
Kay: It looks cool, though, looks like a good brand.
E: But to quote a poem I recently heard.
E: I love the smell, taste so much, and the warmth, but I will drink anything they make.
Kay: I would just… okay, so on this topic.
E: But yeah, that's…
Kay: I told you, I'm thinking of moving to… To Thailand.
Kay: And I did a search the other day for the price.
Kay: Alright, so this is kind of interesting… I mean, it's not super interesting, but I think maybe our listeners might find it interesting.
Kay: I did a cost comparison of the price of lifestyle
Kay: between where I'm gonna be in Thailand, and let's just… I think it was even Bangkok. It's not that I'm going to Bangkok, but let's just say Bangkok.
Kay: Compared to Phoenix, where I… where I have spent time. I don't actually live in Phoenix, but I've spent time there.
Kay: And I… I was looking at the prices in Bangkok, There was, like, milk, cheese, groceries.
Kay: There was, transportation, rent, all those things.
Kay: And as I'm looking at a few of these things, I'm thinking, those… those aren't good prices. I'm looking at Bangkok, and it says… I think it was $28 for a nice meal out for two people, and I thought, that's kind of pricey, $28.
Kay: And then I compared that to Phoenix.
Kay: And it was $78.
Kay: And I was like, oh my gosh, I haven't been out for a long time, so I didn't know how much it's really gone up, but yeah, $78 for a nice meal in Phoenix. Who knew?
Kay: And I realized, at the end of it all, as I looked at everything, the only thing that was more expensive
Kay: was milk and cheese. Everything else was dirt cheap, like a $2 for an Americano.
Kay: Whereas, who knew that it's, like, $6 average in Phoenix?
Kay: And I thought, wow. So, in general, 40% savings by just living, just making that move, you're gonna save…
Kay: 40% on most things, except for milk and cheese, which.
E: That's right.
Kay: Which means that because of my milk and cheese cravings, I actually might…
Kay: End out about the same, but…
Kay: But still, pretty impressive savings there, and I realized, God, I'm paying a lot of money just to live this capitalistic
Kay: utopia here in the U.S.
E: Yeah, the greatest, richest country on Earth. It's really difficult to imagine…
E: being far from her, yeah, I said her, cancel me.
Kay: Sure, by the way.
E: You know, I think it was… AI? Wasn't it… was it you and I who… What?
Kay: Who's her? Oh, you mean the capitalistic utopia?
E: America?
Kay: Hmm.
E: Lady Liberty? Bye!
Kay: I'm sorry.
E: Didn't catch that one. That song.
E: The one about America.
Kay: Good point.
Kay: I do think of my country as a her, that's true.
Kay: As I drive through her.
E: She must be taken care of.
E: Yep. That's true. Right through her.
E: You have to… it is to her, because you have to, you have to take care of her, you have to patronize her.
E: You have to make sure she knows her place.
Kay: You have to tip her now. Everywhere you go in her is a high-tipped place. Oh, you have a.
E: Hold on, hold on, hold on, I got a child intervention. What is it, bud?
Kay: Yes.
E: My, my… I'm really making?
E: Cool.
E: Is this a gift to you? Oh, wow! But you have yours, right? And it has water. Okay, keep drinking water, bud, okay? I love you!
Kay: Precious.
Kay: How lovely.
Kay: A nice child in her.
E: I'm putting in my 5… hold on, I'm putting in my 5 minutes of parenting for the day.
Kay: Now, is this your child, or is this a random child?
E: Do you wanna… you wanna use it?
E: Oh, oh, your water bottle isn't there anymore. Ask someone who…
E: They probably know where it is.
E: Yeah, there's, there's, like, all these activities.
E: And I brought my son's water bottle to one of the activities, and he's just pointing out that it's not there anymore.
Kay: -Oh.
Kay: Thankfully, thankfully you're at a mall.
E: This is something responsibilities in the world is.
E: And then I would have been like, I don't know, and then he would have been like, it's your responsibility.
E: If you don't know where it is, it's because you didn't do a good job. If you didn't do a good job, and then you would have gotten angry.
E: People have gotten angry at me.
E: I mean, it would have, like, been a thing that I felt bad for Parenting 101. I would be upset, and then I would feel bad. I would feel that I'm maybe inadequate.
E: And then, he would feel angry that I didn't take it seriously, and then I would feel angry that I feel like I'm a bad person. And then, we would just do that several times throughout the day.
Kay: Nice. That's parenting… I think you were acing the parenting, game there.
Kay: I like it. I like it.
Kay: You're describing a perfect pair.
E: Yep.
E: Man, I think… I think the administration's view on this, man, peace to, strength.
E: I… I want nothing more than peace.
E: And so I do everything to achieve this, including not engaging…
Kay: Exactly, it's sort of like, walk… what is it? Walk quietly and carry a big…
Kay: Stick or something like that?
E: softly, and carrying a big step.
Kay: I almost got it.
E: Yep. Teddy Roosevelt, man.
Kay: He was a great…
E: One of our best mustachioed
E: he was a bit of an outsider himself, too, man. He had… you know, that was back when, Progressive…
E: meant… like… strongly engaging American power overseas.
E: Protecting, right?
Kay: aggressive?
E: of hearts.
Kay: I guess he was, yeah. That, that was… that was the progressive movement of the early 20th century, was to…
E: was to, kind of, like, protect and create natural reserves, because we have the most beautiful country on Earth, and it's a deeply diverse and…
E: Has, has a biome that is, expansive. It's a massive country, and we want to protect
E: Back to the wild places, so we can enjoy them, so we can go in there and be men.
E: And ride around on these bulls, and shoot guns in the air, and climb a tree, and eat the fruits.
E: And Teddy Roosevelt was all about that, man, rode a fucking horse in Cuba and killed a bunch of foreigners?
Kay: Well, you know, there's a story where he… he was one of the first presidents to go
Kay: out west with… others had just heard about it maybe through photos, but he actually went out and camped, and it was, like, a big deal, to get out west and actually see it.
E: He was a huge… he was a… he was a huge,
E: This is a proponents of the national parks, the ICK, the part of.
Kay: Yeah, and this is why we have such a big government, is because he ruined it, by…
Kay: Spending all these… all this money to… to employ all these people protecting a bunch of stupid
Kay: Trees that they could just turn into housing.
E: Yeah, progressive.
Kay: So that's why.
E: That's what it meant back then. That's what it meant back then. Right now, people use the Bitcoin.
Kay: Let's Let's jump into our first topic.
Kay: Because I'm… I'm too jealous.
E: Yeah, with this feedback.
Kay: Beautiful, futuristic city.
E: forgot.
Kay: We were talking about the H-1B visa situation. I sent you in kind of like a… Oh, yeah.
Kay: Like, a short clip of the… of this podcast that I sometimes listen to called the All In Podcast, which, by the way, I'm not 100% a fan of anymore, especially.
Kay: Sometimes I feel like they're just basically the…
Kay: sounding board for the current administration, like, they're just… they'll say whatever… whatever the administration's doing, they'll say, this is great.
Kay: no matter what, which I think is a little…
Kay: annoying. I feel like I'm listening to the propaganda arm sometimes of the administration.
E: Right.
Kay: It used to be that they would think… they kind of thought a little more…
Kay: Independently, but I'm not sure.
Kay: So there's.
E: I don't know.
Kay: One of them that's not on board, and he's… sometimes he's… and he's not particularly… he's… he sometimes is not as smart as the rest, so he kind of gets, like, pummeled by everybody.
Kay: I love that. But anyway, let's… that is fine.
E: Are people listening, man.
Kay: Yeah, exactly. I think they still may today, On this one.
E: I'll put in a quick plug… I'll just put in a quick plug in for my overreaching…
E: Concept of politics is that partisanship and ideology ruin… Country… I think the… the math…
Kay: The mass of people who have the most in common economically.
E: the kind of, like, 60-80% of Americans
E: Whose interests are very tightly bound together, are divided by partisanship and ideology, very much on purpose.
Kay: Hmm.
E: Because the powerful wouldn't be able to get what they want. How could you make a system in which 1% of the people get 90% of the benefits, unless you found a way to divide up the rest of the people?
E: And so, ideology and partisanship will get you there. And so…
E: Because a democracy requires not only that you have access to information, but… which, nowadays, people have a ton of access to.
E: But it also requires people to be free thinkers, and not fall into party lines, not fall into ideological lines. When people look at a situation.
E: For them to think.
E: oh, what side, you know, what side is my camp on? And you start thinking there instead of thinking, well, what do I think about this? You know, what's in my best interest here? When we step away from that.
E: you know, I think that elites win. There's been so many different economic systems
E: And the elites have always won. In the system they currently have, I think the benefits are the most dispersed, perhaps, that they have ever been.
E: But, I could be better, and I think common people like you and me
E: Be free thinkers and stop dividing ourselves up against partisanship and ideological lines and have free-thinking conversations.
E: I think that's the… I think that's the way to go. It's just really sad, I agree, that these guys, who are smart, successful guys.
E: have fallen into this rut lately, where it feels, to me, partisan, and it feels ideological, and…
E: I think partisanship and ideology… ideology…
E: just ruined democracy. I strongly dislike heavily biased.
E: Stop along.
Kay: I would like it to be a little more.
E: Well, the thing is that the problem is that they were actually.
Kay: Again, these particular guys were…
Kay: I guess on the mostly progressive side about 5 years ago, one of them was always very far right.
Kay: And then they all kind of moved towards him in the last 2 years, and…
Kay: Actually, I shouldn't say they all. There's actually the other guy that…
E: I've been most of… I've been most of voting America.
Kay: Yeah, no, that's true. The other guy that's on the podcast that I do think has kept us fairly independent
Kay: stance is… his name is Freeberg, so Kalakanis and Friedberg would be the more independent. The other two have gone very…
Kay: Very right. Well, I wouldn't even say it's, I mean, right or left, it's more like they'll go.
E: Honda.
Kay: They've gone into the administrative dome of mine, of, you know, whatever.
E: Yeah, yeah.
Kay: Yeah, it doesn't matter what, you know, what side it is, it's just…
E: movement, I mean, Make America Great Again movement, right, as headed by Donald Trump.
E: I think has a certain set of, kind of, like, basic position.
E: not a ton of intro, just position that changed as Trump As the president, Chenzhou.
E: The positions of these people change, because the over…
E: The… what binds the movement together is a set of grievances.
E: It's not actually a set of solutions.
E: They're actually very flexible in the solution, which is kind of the refreshing part, if you think about it.
E: True. But they have… they're bound by grievance.
E: And that is what is normally common in populist or fascist movements.
E: If you think of, like, Nicaragua, man.
E: like, they have this, like, weird Ortega Santinista movement, which purports to be Marxist. It's not, but it purports to be left-wing.
E: But they're just these populist, authoritarian governments who rely on the strain of grievance.
E: Same thing, you know, the communist revolution of Russia.
E: grievance, the Nazi movement in Germany, grievance. They don't actually have… the solutions change, right? As the populace, begin to fail to actually do anything about the grievances, the solutions change constantly.
E: Bless us.
Kay: Right.
E: Pink them together.
Kay: If you think about it, the best… best administration we've had is without… without, you know, hands down, it was the Bush administration, because there was no grievance, it was just dominance and greatness, and let's go…
Kay: took over… Iraq.
Kay: So, I mean, I think, I think that was.
E: Yeah, the neoconservative movement was a very…
Kay: They're clean.
E: movement, it's a very interesting moment in time, right? Like, hey man, it's like, hey, hey, my.
Kay: We're winning.
E: Democracy's great, right? And you're like, yes, democracy is great, actually. Like, hey, don't you want to give this great thing to other people? And you're like, well, I mean, yes, but what… what do you mean by that?
E: Like, well, hey, look, there's this country called Iraq, and they don't have the scraping that we have.
E: called American Democracy, and I think they should have it, so what do you think, what do you think, what do you say we go over there and we gave it to them? And you're like, oh, that sounds nice.
Kay: As a side note, I was…
Kay: I was just watching… I started to watch, but I couldn't really make it through it very far, but I started to watch, what was that Team America movie?
Kay: And…
E: Haha, yeah.
Kay: It's a really funny beginning scene. I have to say, like, the rest of the movie, I think, goes downhill very quickly, but that first scene where they're in France, blowing up everything…
Kay: with, you know, from the perspective of, like, America, like, yeah, they, like, I think they, like, parachuted and started, like, destroying the beauty of…
E: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're trying to destroy the terrorist, man.
Kay: Right, right, exactly.
E: the Eiffel Tower, and you're like.
Kay: Yeah. He's like…
E: Sorry, guys.
E: And at the very end, after everything's destroyed, everything's in rubble, they, like, load back onto the helicopters, and they're like, you're welcome!
Kay: Right?
Kay: Such a great, greatest symbolism.
E: Anyway, so… There's that quote from the Vietnam War, from that, I don't forget which officer said it, but it says, like, you know, we had to destroy the town to save it.
Kay: Right.
Kay: And they should. Paris… Paris definitely needs that. So back to the H-1B visa…
E: All in podcasts, we're talking about H1Bs, and there's a lot of business guys in there, right? They know a lot about this topic.
Kay: Absolutely. So, my initial reaction when I heard it this week was… and actually, I heard this on even CNBC. I think they asked someone on CNBC
Kay: what they thought, and his reaction, he was a CEO of a tech company, and he said.
Kay: this is… you know, he's like, I'm not gonna be… he wasn't… he was careful with his words, he wasn't too critical, but his feeling was.
Kay: Hey, I mean, I'm all about us bringing the best and the brightest in.
Kay: We've always done it as a country. I'm against anything that would stop us from bringing the best and the brightest into this country, and I feel like this new fee is going to prevent us from getting access to the best and the brightest, so that's my feeling.
Kay: And when I heard it, I said, that's a good point, yeah, I mean, do we as a country want to risk
Kay: Cutting ourselves off.
Kay: From some of the brightest people in the world, because, what, of patriotism? What is this about?
Kay: And so that was kind of my attitude going into listening to the podcast.
Kay: As I listened, though, two things were brought up that I thought were interesting, which was, one,
Kay: the H-1B visa has a history of being… and I guess it's sort of like an industry-known thing in Silicon Valley, it has a history of being quite abused. And by the way, I know that you know way more about
Kay: this world than I do as a employee of a journalistic organization that writes about such Topics a lot.
Kay: So I will… I would like to hear your thoughts on it, but…
Kay: I just… just from what I heard.
Kay: the gist of it is that it's mostly a way for large companies to not… if you think about the IT world.
Kay: most of the companies that are given the H-1B visas are not actually people, they're more companies, a lot of them
Kay: a lot of companies out of, like, India receive these visas, and then they can find someone to fill the position. They can send someone over to the US for, like, $60,000 a year, which is half the cost of what they might pay an American to do fairly, like.
Kay: generic IT work. It's not, like, the best and the brightest kind of work that are often brought in.
Kay: And then… and again, I'm just kind of talking in generalities.
Kay: And then they can kind of put a…
Kay: put somebody who's working in this IT job in the US
Kay: In a strange position wherein they've been given this big opportunity, But if the company…
Kay: wants to, they can pull it at any time and send this person back. And so there's almost a sense of, like.
Kay: I kind of have to do whatever you say. I have to work long hours, I have to be the guy that…
Kay: maybe, like.
Kay: does the new updates at an IT infrastructure center, and I'm gonna be there all weekend long, work… plus my 40 hours, so I might be there 60, 70 hours that week.
Kay: And if I don't comply, I might be sent back, because…
Kay: they can replace me easily with somebody else. So the question really was brought out, is this really bringing over the best and the brightest, or is this really, the more cynical view, just a way for big companies, big tech companies, to save a bunch of money?
Kay: And the best and the brightest are going.
E: I'm sorry to cut off your flow here. I gotta go really quick. I gotta grab Mati for something, but let me call you back, and we can.
Kay: Oh, sure, I'll pause it right here.
E: We can do, like, a tight… we can do… we can do a tight 15 minutes on this, because I… I have a lot to say about this episode.
Kay: Alright, cool, cool. Alright, well, we'll pause it here.